AnonymousJanuary 11th, 2010 at 11:10 PM | Permalink | Reply
Our product, PacketTrap MSP, compares favorably with both n-able and kaseya, and exceeds their capabilities on many fronts. In addition, PacketTrap’s price point is well below Kaseya, N-able, and Solar Winds.
In addition to the usual network management and monitoring solutions you are looking for, feel free to see additional capabilities on our web site at
We tried Kaseya and LevelPlatforms – both too expensive, too cumbersome and backed by poor support. We now use GFI Max and started using it when it was called HoundDog. It’s far and away the best monitoring tool available for MSP’s and support is provided quickly by friendly staff. 100% recommended.
AnonymousSeptember 11th, 2010 at 9:51 PM | Permalink | Reply
We’ve been using Zenith for mid 2008. It used to be a good product, but I would no longer recommend it.
US Helpdesk
Should only be used for basic Tier 1 issues that someone with an A+ can solve. Anything beyond that will result in client unsatisfaction. Don’t rely on it being white label, because several times they emailed the end user from their Zenith email address.
NOC
Great if you already have your own guys. You can pass off server requests too. You can not be hands off. You must put in specific detail exactly what you want to do, with all the info, where to find it, and everything short of actually doing it yourself if you want a favorable result. Even then, expect dissapointment. – As seen and reported by my Zenith Account team. Repeat, Repeat, Repeat and even after they tell you they understand and are working on it…don’t trust that answer because it’s BS.
Don’t call the NOC b/c they won’t understand you and you won’t understand them. Your best bet is to email and wait the weeks it takes to solve the issue.
Desktop Agent
Good luck providing value to your clients for desktop services. The agents don’t work as they should. Your clients will call asking why desktops aren’t patched and why AV is not updated. You will constantly get alerts about these not working as well. Zenith used to take care of these agent issues for you in the past, but now it’s your issue.
Agents can’t be branded. Services clearly show Zenith, installation paths, program versions, etc…So when you get the client because the previous IT company failed but was using Zenith, you’re up to a bad start when the client finds out your also using Zenith.
Zenith as a company
Company policies and services change at random times affecting how you run your business and what you have promised to your customers. They over promise causing you to do the same only to find out they have under delivered and your stuck.
Account Team
Good luck getting any real help from them on service issues. Even better luck if they return your call. Requests for help will cause them to direct you to go search the website. Weekly calls are one way only…they talk you listen. Email questions in, and they will answer at a later date. Hmm…I would like to hear what other people have to say unless you are afraid of having me hear it.
BDR
This was a great product. Sold a lot of them, it even saved us once. Sadly it doesn’t seem to work the way it used to. Lots of errors causing us to ditch backups and start over as if it were day 1. I cringe at the thought of a restore request during the times when the client is unaware that their backup is not really there. Let’s just hope they don’t ask for that day, week, or month and that the server stays up. The NOC used to solve issues, but now you have to take up your time doing a screen share with them while they spend hours troubleshooting and tell you they will solve it later offline only to use that as an excuse to work on other issues and leave you hanging.
Emails show a new BDR to hopefully correct on the issues of the past
That said we no longer market their BDR, stop using their helpdesk when it caused us to lose a client. The NOC can be useful, but not in an emergency situation, so we continue to use the NOC for certain tickets. Ingram’s NOC isn’t any better as they’ll tell you to go call MSFT on simple issues.
Why did we go to Zenith in the first place
Pay as you go. No need to build your own helpdesk and/or noc, great products.
Benefits now
Pay as you go
NOC – love/hate relationship until a better alternative comes along
BDR is useful but since it’s not certain you can restore, what’s the point?
Monthly reports
As of this post, we still have already sold BDRs still on the field and continue to use the NOC for certain non high profile clients.
E.
AnonymousNovember 22nd, 2010 at 2:45 AM | Permalink | Reply
You hit this description with Zenith spot on with their services and options.
We are thinking about moving away from their desktops and BDR as well.
Paying alot per mth and not seeing the “automation” going away.
We have our own server team so although frustration because of the language barrier with the NOC we want to keep that unless something compriable. Even thought their NOC sometimes is 5-10 minutes late in calling or reporting downed issues.
What did you move to? For NOC and Desktops. As well as BDR.
We have a couple of Z bdr’s but little uneasy of when it’s crunch time with such lack of confidence it will work. The whole language thing is frustating and our “(color) Team” is so impersonable and sound like robot’s. had a run in and after getting regional mgr on, still rough around the edges.
Would really like to know if anyone is actually using spiceworks and what their experience is. We’ve been looking at a number of products for a couple of weeks now and it seems labtech is the best money can buy but one can never dismiss free/open source products these days.
I have been using Spiceworks for about 4 months now. It is a very good tool for one site management if you are actually at that site. You would need to configure firewalls on every desktop (or disable them), for Spiceworks is agent-less software. You can integrate it with AD though.
Spiceworks server runs on one machine and gathers information from the network. The information is not always correct. Actually it retrieves the information from the application, system, security logs.
I worked with the N-able product for over 6 years and was very pleased with the results. In the last year they have released 2 major updates that has made the product even more fantastic. Compeltely revamped remote control options much like Logmein, script building using a drag and drop tool, super easy to use interface compared to most other products, great patching, good A/V. Really well developed ESX monitoring. Does everything from printers to servers to desktops to network equip. Highly recommend checking them out. They run a live daily tech demo you should check out. check the N-able site for info.
So I have been looking at so many reviews and have tried several demos. I will be letting you know my results if that is helpful. I have used Spiceworks and it is very cool if you are using it in a single network. Not very well for an MSP. I am currently demoing N-Able, Kaseya, Labtech, PackeTrap I will see what works best and what the pricing is.
Another note that just jumped into my head. I have been using vTigerCRM for our ticketing and customer portal. This is an awesome product for free but too much configuration. It is so cumbersome. Just changing company logo’s is so difficult. As all IT specialist know we don’t have the time to sit around and figure out how things work and then having to configure it to function. Spiceworks is very much the same way. The only upside to these products is the fact that they are free.
Post update: This posting was created back in 2009. Obviously, it is still very much relevant today. There have been some great discussions here. Recently, we held a session at MSPWorld about vendor selection that may shed some light on the themes here.
Lonny,
very good question. While i cannot weigh in and give you any specific names there are a couple of ways you can evaluate MSP platforms on your own.
Lonny,
I do apologize, on behalf of Kaseya, for not meeting your expectations.
Hey Lonney,
I have been evaluating a few platforms my self and really like this one: http://www.labtechsoftware.com/
Also the pricing is excellent.
Sean Riggs
IT Definitive, LLC
http://www.itdefinitive.com
We have been using N-able for almost 2 years and I have been overall very pleased with the product and the technical support.
We’ve been with N-Able almost four years now.
Labtech is cutting edge.
Been using it’s products for a local BIG company and it never failed…well, almost never
Cheers.
CS from portasol
Been using labtechsoftware.com for ever and it’s amazingly useful.Very configurable and easy to use.Carlos
Been using it’s products for a local BIG company and it never failed…well, almost never
Look at this http://www.spiceworks.com. ITS FREE
Our product, PacketTrap MSP, compares favorably with both n-able and kaseya, and exceeds their capabilities on many fronts. In addition, PacketTrap’s price point is well below Kaseya, N-able, and Solar Winds.
In addition to the usual network management and monitoring solutions you are looking for, feel free to see additional capabilities on our web site at
http://www.packettrap.com/product/packettrapmsp.aspx?fid=netflow
Dave
PacketTrap Networks
We tried Kaseya and LevelPlatforms – both too expensive, too cumbersome and backed by poor support. We now use GFI Max and started using it when it was called HoundDog. It’s far and away the best monitoring tool available for MSP’s and support is provided quickly by friendly staff. 100% recommended.
We’ve been using Zenith for mid 2008. It used to be a good product, but I would no longer recommend it.
US Helpdesk
NOC
Desktop Agent
Zenith as a company
Account Team
BDR
That said we no longer market their BDR, stop using their helpdesk when it caused us to lose a client. The NOC can be useful, but not in an emergency situation, so we continue to use the NOC for certain tickets. Ingram’s NOC isn’t any better as they’ll tell you to go call MSFT on simple issues.
Why did we go to Zenith in the first place
Benefits now
As of this post, we still have already sold BDRs still on the field and continue to use the NOC for certain non high profile clients.
E.
You hit this description with Zenith spot on with their services and options.
We are thinking about moving away from their desktops and BDR as well.
Paying alot per mth and not seeing the “automation” going away.
We have our own server team so although frustration because of the language barrier with the NOC we want to keep that unless something compriable. Even thought their NOC sometimes is 5-10 minutes late in calling or reporting downed issues.
What did you move to? For NOC and Desktops. As well as BDR.
We have a couple of Z bdr’s but little uneasy of when it’s crunch time with such lack of confidence it will work. The whole language thing is frustating and our “(color) Team” is so impersonable and sound like robot’s. had a run in and after getting regional mgr on, still rough around the edges.
What did you go to?
GC – you can email me to – contactgvc@gmail.com
Would really like to know if anyone is actually using spiceworks and what their experience is. We’ve been looking at a number of products for a couple of weeks now and it seems labtech is the best money can buy but one can never dismiss free/open source products these days.
kay
I have been using Spiceworks for about 4 months now. It is a very good tool for one site management if you are actually at that site. You would need to configure firewalls on every desktop (or disable them), for Spiceworks is agent-less software. You can integrate it with AD though.
Spiceworks server runs on one machine and gathers information from the network. The information is not always correct. Actually it retrieves the information from the application, system, security logs.
I worked with the N-able product for over 6 years and was very pleased with the results. In the last year they have released 2 major updates that has made the product even more fantastic. Compeltely revamped remote control options much like Logmein, script building using a drag and drop tool, super easy to use interface compared to most other products, great patching, good A/V. Really well developed ESX monitoring. Does everything from printers to servers to desktops to network equip. Highly recommend checking them out. They run a live daily tech demo you should check out. check the N-able site for info.
So I have been looking at so many reviews and have tried several demos. I will be letting you know my results if that is helpful. I have used Spiceworks and it is very cool if you are using it in a single network. Not very well for an MSP. I am currently demoing N-Able, Kaseya, Labtech, PackeTrap I will see what works best and what the pricing is.
Another note that just jumped into my head. I have been using vTigerCRM for our ticketing and customer portal. This is an awesome product for free but too much configuration. It is so cumbersome. Just changing company logo’s is so difficult. As all IT specialist know we don’t have the time to sit around and figure out how things work and then having to configure it to function. Spiceworks is very much the same way. The only upside to these products is the fact that they are free.
Post update: This posting was created back in 2009. Obviously, it is still very much relevant today. There have been some great discussions here. Recently, we held a session at MSPWorld about vendor selection that may shed some light on the themes here.
http://www.mspalliance.com/2012/10/msps-guide-to-selecting-the-best-vendor/
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